swapping w56 and L45

from what i here the L45 is 5 to 6 inches shorter, nick can tell you for sure.

A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A 82 TOYOTA WITH A L52 TRANS AND FROM WHAT WE HAVE RESEARCHED IT IS THE SAME LENGTH AS A L45. HE FOUND A L52 FOR $300 THAT HE IS PUTTING IN IT. IF YOU GO TO A W56 DRIVE SHAFTS HAVE TO BE SHORTENED AND LENGTHENED AND THE CROSSMEMBER HAS TO BE RELOCATED.

MY FRIENDS CAME WITH A L52 AND LUCKILY FOUND ONE TO PUT BACK IN IT.

WE ALSO RESEARCHED REBUILD KITS, THEY ARE $250 TO $280 FOR PARTS. WE WERE TOLD THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AROUND $600 IN PARTS AND LABOR. I WOULD TRY AND FIND A GOOD USED ONE. AND GOOD LUCK WE SEARCHED FOR 3 WEEKS OR SO.

HERE IS SOME GOOD INFO ON ALL THE TRANSMISSIONS FROM PIRATE4X4.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=775780
Pickup and 4Runner Transmissions with 1st gear ratios.
L43 4 speed 79 - 80 3.67
L45 4 speed 81 - 82 3.93
L50 5 speed 81 - 82 3.93
L52 5 speed 83 3.93
G52 & G54 5 speed 84 - 88 (Carb) 3.93
W56 5 speed 85 - 95 (EFI) 3.95 Manual Hub Equipped Vehicles 89 and up Have W56, 89 and up ADD vehicles have G58.
R151F 5 speed 86 - 87 (turbo only) 4.31
G58 5 speed 89 - 95 3.93 ADD Equipped Vehicles
R150F (6 cyl) 5 speed 88+ 3.83

Identification:
G52/54 84-88' are twin stick, use a 8 bolt center section, 6 bolt gear t/case pattern, 21 spline output.
G58 89-95' twin stick, 8 bolt center, 9 bolt chain t/case, 26 spline
W56 85-88' (single stick), 89-95' (twin stick), 10 bolt center, 6 bolt t/case, 21 spline
R151F 86 - 87 (turbo only) will have two housings of four bolts each just like a G52, the difference would be the large rubber plug on the bottom of the bellhousing.

Info provided by Marlin Cralwer
All 84 to 95 22R trans are 25.5" long including the bellhousing. The only shorter trans is the 79-83 year trans which are 20.75" long with bellhousing. These early short trans have had a poor service record due in part to their small bearings and lighter gears. The 82-83 L52 5 speed which had a 80 x 20 mm front input bearing has had the best service record. A number of years ago, I invented a way to install a oversize 80 x 23 mm input bearing with an inproved gear set which features a greater helix angle for added strenght. I call it my L52HD and is the strongest 20.75" long trans.

Side note:
ADD = Automatic Differential Disconnect
For more information see my article here:
http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/add/index.htm

Tranny 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Rev
R151f 4.310 2.740 1.930 1.000 0.830 4.230
W56 3.954 2.141 1.384 1.000 0.850 4.091
G52 3.929 2.333 1.452 1.000 .851 ????
FYI: Marlin offers a R151f gear swap that gives 5.15 first

List of Toyota transmissions which covers all toy trans 2wd, fwd, automatic, car, truck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_transmissions

A340 Transmission issues and FAQs
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587521

Converting a W55 4x2 transmission into a W56 4x4
http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586967

And if you're wondering about swapping in a G52, my nephew swapped his L52 for a G52 but the crossmember didn't line up exactly. I also think the driveshafts were different lengths, but he just used the ones from the G52 truck. You also run into the top shift/forward shift issue, but that's no biggie unless you're trying to double it up.

1984 Toyota pickup, locked 5.29s, dual cases, Longfields, 22R with low range cam and header.

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bennyv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Poster Joined: 12 October 2010 Status: Offline Points: 103	Post Options Post Reply Quote bennyv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: swapping w56 and L45 Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:02pm
	will a w56 swap directly into an L45 for a 82 toyota reg cab?
	bennyv

MACHEN4X4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 16 November 2009 Location: scottsboro Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACHEN4X4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:11pm
	from what i here the L45 is 5 to 6 inches shorter, nick can tell you for sure.

bennyv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Poster Joined: 12 October 2010 Status: Offline Points: 103	Post Options Post Reply Quote bennyv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:15pm
	crap ok well ill wait for him to chime in i guess.
	bennyv

MACHEN4X4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 16 November 2009 Location: scottsboro Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACHEN4X4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:24pm
	A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A 82 TOYOTA WITH A L52 TRANS AND FROM WHAT WE HAVE RESEARCHED IT IS THE SAME LENGTH AS A L45. HE FOUND A L52 FOR $300 THAT HE IS PUTTING IN IT. IF YOU GO TO A W56 DRIVE SHAFTS HAVE TO BE SHORTENED AND LENGTHENED AND THE CROSSMEMBER HAS TO BE RELOCATED.

bennyv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Poster Joined: 12 October 2010 Status: Offline Points: 103	Post Options Post Reply Quote bennyv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:27pm
	thats exactly what i was thinking. but is there any pros and cons to swapping to a L52?
	bennyv

MACHEN4X4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 16 November 2009 Location: scottsboro Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACHEN4X4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:30pm
	MY FRIENDS CAME WITH A L52 AND LUCKILY FOUND ONE TO PUT BACK IN IT.

bennyv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Poster Joined: 12 October 2010 Status: Offline Points: 103	Post Options Post Reply Quote bennyv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:33pm
	so im guessing there is no reason to swap to an L52 just rebuild what i already have and be happy with it. ha
	bennyv

MACHEN4X4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 16 November 2009 Location: scottsboro Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACHEN4X4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:36pm
	WE ALSO RESEARCHED REBUILD KITS, THEY ARE $250 TO $280 FOR PARTS. WE WERE TOLD THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AROUND $600 IN PARTS AND LABOR. I WOULD TRY AND FIND A GOOD USED ONE. AND GOOD LUCK WE SEARCHED FOR 3 WEEKS OR SO.

bennyv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Poster Joined: 12 October 2010 Status: Offline Points: 103	Post Options Post Reply Quote bennyv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:37pm
	Thanks man!!
	bennyv

MACHEN4X4 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 16 November 2009 Location: scottsboro Status: Offline Points: 85	Post Options Post Reply Quote MACHEN4X4 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:42pm
	HERE IS SOME GOOD INFO ON ALL THE TRANSMISSIONS FROM PIRATE4X4. http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=775780 Pickup and 4Runner Transmissions with 1st gear ratios. L43 4 speed 79 - 80 3.67 L45 4 speed 81 - 82 3.93 L50 5 speed 81 - 82 3.93 L52 5 speed 83 3.93 G52 & G54 5 speed 84 - 88 (Carb) 3.93 W56 5 speed 85 - 95 (EFI) 3.95 Manual Hub Equipped Vehicles 89 and up Have W56, 89 and up ADD vehicles have G58. R151F 5 speed 86 - 87 (turbo only) 4.31 G58 5 speed 89 - 95 3.93 ADD Equipped Vehicles R150F (6 cyl) 5 speed 88+ 3.83 Identification: G52/54 84-88' are twin stick, use a 8 bolt center section, 6 bolt gear t/case pattern, 21 spline output. G58 89-95' twin stick, 8 bolt center, 9 bolt chain t/case, 26 spline W56 85-88' (single stick), 89-95' (twin stick), 10 bolt center, 6 bolt t/case, 21 spline R151F 86 - 87 (turbo only) will have two housings of four bolts each just like a G52, the difference would be the large rubber plug on the bottom of the bellhousing. Info provided by Marlin Cralwer All 84 to 95 22R trans are 25.5" long including the bellhousing. The only shorter trans is the 79-83 year trans which are 20.75" long with bellhousing. These early short trans have had a poor service record due in part to their small bearings and lighter gears. The 82-83 L52 5 speed which had a 80 x 20 mm front input bearing has had the best service record. A number of years ago, I invented a way to install a oversize 80 x 23 mm input bearing with an inproved gear set which features a greater helix angle for added strenght. I call it my L52HD and is the strongest 20.75" long trans. Side note: ADD = Automatic Differential Disconnect For more information see my article here: http://www.off-road.com/toyota/tech/add/index.htm Tranny 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th Rev R151f 4.310 2.740 1.930 1.000 0.830 4.230 W56 3.954 2.141 1.384 1.000 0.850 4.091 G52 3.929 2.333 1.452 1.000 .851 ???? FYI: Marlin offers a R151f gear swap that gives 5.15 first List of Toyota transmissions which covers all toy trans 2wd, fwd, automatic, car, truck http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_transmissions A340 Transmission issues and FAQs http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=587521 Converting a W55 4x2 transmission into a W56 4x4 http://pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=586967

bennyv Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Poster Joined: 12 October 2010 Status: Offline Points: 103	Post Options Post Reply Quote bennyv Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:49pm
	Dang man that helps alot! Appreciate it
	bennyv

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	And if you're wondering about swapping in a G52, my nephew swapped his L52 for a G52 but the crossmember didn't line up exactly. I also think the driveshafts were different lengths, but he just used the ones from the G52 truck. You also run into the top shift/forward shift issue, but that's no biggie unless you're trying to double it up.
	1984 Toyota pickup, locked 5.29s, dual cases, Longfields, 22R with low range cam and header.

bluetoy Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List RCRC Club Visitor Joined: 17 February 2004 Location: Skyline, Jackson County Status: Offline Points: 2222	Post Options Post Reply Quote bluetoy Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 18 May 2011 at 2:42am
	All the first gen trucks had short transmissions. '84 up had the longer transmissions. This is regardless of what series.
	TOYOTA FOUR WHEEL DRIVE................need I say more?