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    Posted: 24 March 2024 at 3:28pm
Been self teaching myself to stick weld with 2 car batteries.  Tried several different rod types and sizes but 1/8" 7011 worked best for me.  Ugly welds but good penitration and strength for what I'm  doing.

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https://buntrailwelder.com/collections/all

This is a nice mig that uses 2 batteries

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Does it hurt the batteries?
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I've been looking at that Bun welder and also the Karnage welder.  I started off looking at the Ready welder.  I think Doc has a Ready Welder.  I've seen the Premier Power welder and Ready welder used in the field and they worked great for what we were doing with them.  I think the Ready Welder has greatly increased in price to near $1000.  Of the 4, I think I would go with the Ready Welder.

I need to be able to weld up to 1/2" thick steel.  I don't know if any of these will do that.  Also, that Bun spool gun is huge and would be difficult or impossible to use in some applications, but the price is right.

I already had all the stuff I needed to experiment with stick welding, so I didn't have to buy anything but rods.

As far as hurting the batteries, I don't think so.  I welded on a steel gate yesterday.  I was welding on 1/4" flat bar, 3/16" wall 5" diameter tube and #4 rebar.  I burned through about 6 or 7  rods.  The batteries never changed temperature and their voltage only dropped from about 12.8 to about 12.5.  I think running a loaded winch may pull more amps for a longer time.
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I wouldnt run them down empty and I doubt itll hurt them. A couple of deep cycle batteries would be better if one intended on doing it a lot. 

Welding 1/2 plate can be done with stringer beads. I doubt you'll get enough out of two batteries for it in single pass. Might be able to use 4. Two parallel pairs in series. 

7018 in 1/8 would be the easiest rod to use. I have some at the shop nm if you want to try some out. 
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Cole said the same thing about 7018 1/8" rods.  They did not work at all for me.  They seemed to be too much rod for the batteries I had.




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http://www.billavista.com/tech/Articles/ReadyWelder_II_Portable_Welder/index.html

They aren't as expensive as I thought, but their web page is so bad and many of their retailers no longer sell them, I wonder if they are about to go belly up.


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3/32 still will do a lot. Holding a nice tight arc with a 1/8 will help as well. 

Are you running dcen or dcep? This matters to how well the electrode will melt. 
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That was the issue with the 7018 1/8, it would not hold an arc.  It would spark a little and then stick or go out.  It did the same as 6011 5/32 when I tried to go a little bigger with 6011.

I'm  using two large agm batteries.  I assume they are deep cycle batteries but I don't  know.  Maybe two cranking batteries would put out more current.

That 3/32 7018 might be perfect.


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Originally posted by 98TJ 98TJ wrote:

I think Doc has a Ready Welder.



Yes, nice little rig.  Fits in the bag at right, including the dedicated jumper cables.  Its wire feed, uses flux wire since I dont want to carry around a gas bottle and regulator, but it will work with gas.

Dunno what the interest is.  In my limited experience with it, seems to work well, but really needs 2 batteries for 24V power.  On 12V, its really not able to penetrate sufficiently for structural welds.  It will work up to 36V I believe, but I've never tried it.  This welder was why I installed a second battery in my 4Runner.

We used this thing once "in anger" at "Lions Den" at Harlan.  Don Ferguson's tie rod end on his buggy pulled out of the tie rod, ie no way to fix it short of replacing the tie rod, unless one can weld.  Heath welded the tie rod back in using this welder, and Don drove on it that way for several years afterwards.  I dont know if he *ever* fixed it!
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Have you tried welding some thick flat bar with that welder?  Sometimes I need to weld on the gates near our cabin and some of that steel is 3/8" and 1/2".  Multiple passes would be fine.
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I can bring it to Battelle and you take it and try it out.
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If we can do it without taking batteries out of vehicles, I would love to try it.
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I had a last-minute change of plans and can't make the Battelle thing tomorrow.  My bees are being delivered!

Brad, you're welcome to borrow this welder and try it out, but obviously I wont be there to bring it to you.  The reason for the jumper cables was to allow setup/use without removal of the batteries.  You have to *disconnect* the batteries in order to use the jumper cables to arrange the batteries in serial for 24V, but its not necessary to remove the batteries from their installed position.  I'm assuming you know what I mean by serial versus parallel.

I think Cole works in 'Nooga, if that's still so I could drop the welder off with him somewhere and he can get it to you.
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Thanks, but no rush.  We can do it down the road sometime.  Right now these sticks are working for what I'm doing...... which is 99% welding on gates.
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OK, I could never gat a decent weld with two 12v batteries.  I git something that would "hold", but it was pretty ugly and the rod stuck a lot and penetration was pretty poor.

Update -  I recently tried using the two original 12v batteries and added a 12v battery out of my lawn mower for a total of 36 volts.  The rod I found worked best was an 1/8" 6011 rod.  I checked the amperage and with that set up was in the range of 150-160 amps.  That's really too hot, but for what I will use it on (thick steel) worked very well.  Very good penetration and zero rod sticking.

The lawn mower battery is small, but its rated at 320 CCA.  I did some testing and I believe I can burn about six 1/8" rods before the lawn mower battery voltage drops below 10.5 volts.  If I had 3 full sized batteries, I could burn about twice as many.
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you should try some 7018 rod. its DC specific. 6010 would also work as it's a deep penetrating rod but it's harder to use with good results. 

are you welding dcen or dcep?  that'll make a large difference in the penetration you get. I've found two 12v batteries are good for welding 1/4 in plate with 7018 1/8. How thick of material are you after?

I didnt reread this thread and for some reason i didnt see the post above the new one at first.


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I was experimenting a lot so I've tried dcen and dcep.  DCEN worked better for me.

I had high hopes for 7018, but I could never get it to work very well.  Tried both 1/8" and 3/32" 7018.  Tried with 2 batteries and 3 batteries.  All the different combinations I tried were either too hot or too cold.

For what I'll be welding (dirty painted rusty 1/4" to 1/2" steel) 1/8" 7011 on 36 volts worked a lot better than anything else I tried.  It actually works better than the cracker box A/C welder I used for many years until I got a mig.  It doesn't stick, penetrates very well (maybe too well) and I can weld vertical with it.  I just can't stay in one spot too long or it will burn through.
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I saw some cheap 5/32" 7018 at the chinese tool store the other day.  That's a little bigger than the 1/8" 7018 I tried, but 3 batteries were too much for.  The next time I try the 3 battery set up, I'm going to try that  5/32" 7018 and see what it does.
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